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Post Number:#1  PostPosted: 18 Jan 2010 16:08 
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When I suggested setting up a thread for all things to do with war ,ships and propaganda ,I slowly became aware of how large a subject this would be. I intend to show paintings and posters and some photographs and they will all have one thing in common,warfare and the prosecution of the same.
The first picture is by the German war Artist Alfred Bock and it shows the old German battleship ,Schleswig Holstein. She was classified only as a training ship when she bombarded the Polish fortress at Danzig; the opening shots of World War 11,
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Post Number:#2  PostPosted: 19 Jan 2010 16:40 
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These ships are the first two British casualties of the 2nd World war, the Cunard cargo ship and the aircraft carrier HMS Courageous. There was a tremendous loss of life on the Courageous ,indeed I did'nt learn how great until one of the survivors daughters contacted just a few months ago.I think she said it was 530 souls lost. Thus began the war at sea and our world changed forever,
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a great start to your thread brian :thumbsupp: :thumbsupp: :thumbsupp: :thumbsupp:



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Post Number:#4  PostPosted: 19 Jan 2010 22:41 
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Here are some bits of propaganda from the very early part of WW11. The Goddess of Peace offering the palm leaf is a bit of Nazi German propaganda in an attempt to show themselves as reluctant warriors. The Canadian poster is just what the public needed, pugnacity in the face of a remorseless enemy. I will be showing posters and leaflets put out by all the different faction ,should make some interesting viewing,
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Post Number:#5  PostPosted: 20 Jan 2010 23:42 
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This wonderful painting shows HMS Cossack as she forced the German supply/prisoner ship Altmark ,to surender in a Norwegian Fjord in 1939. The British boarding party found many British and Allied merchant seaman hidden down in the lower hatches.
The painting was by that well known marine artist Norman Wilkinson.
Please feel free to add pictures or comments,it's an open thread,
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Read all about it here:

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It is a great British naval tradition to name succeeding generation of ships with the same name.Shown below are the HMS Formidable of 1782, Rodney was her illustrious master,and she is shown breaking the line. Built in Chatham she was 1934 tons.
The second painting is of HMS Formidable of 1898 and was a battleship of 15,ooo tons;she is shown here in Plymouth sound.
Both study's were painted by Charles Dixon for a marvellous book of naval artworks called Britannias Bulwarks,
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Stirring stuff Brian. Heres some detail on Rodney's Formidable:

Ordered: 17 August 1768
Builder: Chatham Dockyard
Laid down: November 1768
Launched: 20 August 1777
Honours and
awards: Participated in:

Battle of the Saintes


General characteristics
Class and type: Barfleur-class ship of the line
Tons burthen: 1934 bm
Length: 177 ft 6 in (54.10 m) (gundeck)
Beam: 50 ft 3 in (15.32 m)
Depth of hold: 21 ft (6.4 m)
Propulsion: Sails
Sail plan: Full rigged ship
Complement: 750 officers and men
Armament: 90 guns:

Gundeck: 28 × 32 pdrs
Middle gundeck: 30 × 18 pdrs
Upper gundeck: 30 × 12 pdrs
Forecastle: 2 × 9 pdrs

98 guns:

Gundeck: 28 × 32 pdrs
Middle gundeck: 30 × 18 pdrs
Upper gundeck: 30 × 12 pdrs
Quarter deck: 8 × 12 pdrs
Forecastle: 2 × 9 pdrs


HMS Formidable was a 90-gun second rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, launched on 20 August 1777 at Chatham. During her career, her armament was increased to 98-guns.

In 1782, Formidable served as Admiral Rodney's flagship at the Battle of the Saintes.

She was broken up in 1813.



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Two very different images today,the first, an Atlantic convoy on alert for an imminent U-Boat attack. This is by the Canadian war artist Alfred Leete.
Secondly,we have a German wartime painting by the distinguished artist Claus Bergen, simply entitled U-Boat,the dread of every convoy,
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Plymouth,winter 1940,Hms Exeter enters Plymouth after her battle with the Graf Spee.
She had a refit and her crew were lauded by the grateful British public for being part of a succesful encounter. Charles Cundall painted the cruisers return and several newspapers referred to it as a return to the port from which Drake sailed to his greatest victories,
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A couple of early Soviet propaganda posters,the first denouncing the breaking of the Molotov /Ribbentrop treaty which allied the USSR with Germany and the second ,am appeal for the Great Patriotic War by some soviet artist,
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Post Number:#12  PostPosted: 25 Jan 2010 00:02 
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Completed in 1877 ,HMS Thunderer and her sister Devastation,were the Navy's first sea going turret ships with no sailing rig.The low freeboard was intended to make them less vulnerableto shellfire but resulted in wetness at sea and dubious stability. But I bet they put the fear of god up the enemy when they hove into view,
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PS I do believe it was the Thunderer that used to appear on the boxes of matches many moons ago,
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it looks menacing now brian. cleverly, the artist has put a vessel with sail rigging in the background, perhaps for a comparison?



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A couple of British war posters,we were so much more restrained than our allies ,or enemies, but did they have the same effect?
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Two very different pictures,one,the Rescue Fleet at Dunkirk by Norman Wilkinson.This shows the withdrawal at its peakand all sorts of craft doing the job. We see a British destroyer taking a near miss from a bomb and some sailing barges and yachts.
The other picture shows a convoy passing St.Anthony's Lighthouse on its way into Newfoundland.This was painted by the Canadian war artist John Platt. One call almost fel the feeling of safety that reaching a port meant for men in those terrible times,
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Interesting pics Brian. Further to your earlier posters of Dazzle painted ships, the artist of the Dunkirk scene was as you say, Sir Norman Wilkinson CBE aka Norman L. Wilkinson (November 24, 1878 - May 31, 1971) who served as a submariner and on minesweepers in WW1 .He came up with the idea of Dazzle painting camouflage used on ships in WW1. He was also employed in WW2 camouflaging airfields.



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Great pictures and interesting information, keep em coming Brian. :thumbsupp: :-D


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my friends wife has an album with genuine photographs from her father. i have asked her to photograph the pages that has something to do with HMS London and HMS Amethyst after an attack on them, if i remember rightly



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The Canadian war artist Alfred Leete,showed these ships under attack by a German surface raider.The liferaft in the foreground put me very much in mind of an unsung Liverpool Hero,Billy Swinchin. I sailed with his son in law and have become friends with his grandson. Billy McGee is fully conversant with this saga of one mans endurance and I wonder if we can prevail upon him to tell that tale once more. It is the stuff legends are made of. One more time Billy?
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that picture certainly reflects the cold isoalted vulnrability of a ship brian



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